Stephen Kinzer talks with Christopher Lydon on Radio Open Source

I found those two episodes most interesting. First, the President of the US announced… he was going to bomb Syria, but many in Congress and in the country were against it, and he called it off. I can’t remember any episode like this in my lifetime, where a president of the United States announced he wanted to bomb a country — but the American people were against it? This is something quite remarkable. We’ve always supported military action when presidents decide to launch them. Then came the telephone call between President Obama and the president of Iran. This is another supreme violation of another basic Dulles principle. The Dulles brothers believed you should never have dialogue with your enemy. They were strong against, for example, any summits between American leaders and Soviet leaders. They felt that this would only destroy the paradigm of conflict. It makes the other person seem possibly sane and rational, and then you can no longer portray them as evil and threatening. So these two episodes — the refusal to bomb Syria and the contact with Iran — make me ask this question: did the Dulles Era just end?

Stephen Kinzer in conversation with Chris Lydon about The Brothers in Boston, November, 2013

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  1. Daniel A. Russo
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    I saw your interview on C-Span with Brian Lamb and bought one of your books. I would like to read them all when I get the money to buy them. I was wondering if you had anything about the Dulles Brothers helping Fritz Thyssen launder Hitler’s stolen billions with help from George Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker in the NY branch of Thyssen’s private banks (Berlin, Rotterdam, NYC)? I also would like to know if you ever read any of ex-Mossad agent, Victor Ostrovsky’s books, specifically By Way of Deception (1990) and The Other Side of Deception (1994)? which would mean you were aware of how the MOSSAD has lied to get us in Iraq, how it is now lying about Iran, how it has kept the Mideast crisis going (even blowing up its own buses and killing an Israeli Colonel who was trying to talk peace with a Palestinian? I have been working on a huge spy case involving Nazi spies who got jobs via Allen Dulles CIA (4000 of them and General Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler’s Master of Spies against the USSR), or if you have heard of Hitler’s plan, in 1943, to keep fighting though losing the war, to create a famine inside the USSR to starve 40,000,000 Soviets to death and enslave the other 90,000,000? How Gehlen was hired by Dulles, how he ended up lying about soviet military strength (saying there were 175 divisions battle ready to take over Europe and bomb the US & UK.? One thing led to another, but basically, he started the Cold War almost singlehandedly. And do you have any info on Richard Nixon whose real middle name was Milhausen? how he was a fanatical anti-Semite, how he used captured Nazi documents to accuse members of the Truman administration of being communists, in 1945, and how he used ethnic Nazi groups (who had merged with the right wing of the Republican party) to campaign for Dewey in ’48, himself and Ike in ’52 and ’56, ’60, and on up to 1972 where he turned the RNC over to GHW Bush. Do you have anything on GHW Bush as in charge of the Bay of Pigs fiasco, where Kennedy fired Allen Dulles later, etc etc etc.

  2. Daniel A. Russo
    Daniel A. Russo at | | Reply

    I saw your interview on C-Span with Brian Lamb and bought one of your books. I would like to read them all when I get the money to buy them. I was wondering if you had anything about the Dulles Brothers helping Fritz Thyssen launder Hitler’s stolen billions with help from George Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker in the NY branch of Thyssen’s private banks (Berlin, Rotterdam, NYC)? I also would like to know if you ever read any of ex-Mossad agent, Victor Ostrovsky’s books, specifically By Way of Deception (1990) and The Other Side of Deception (1994)? which would mean you were aware of how the MOSSAD has lied to get us in Iraq, how it is now lying about Iran, how it has kept the Mideast crisis going (even blowing up its own buses and killing an Israeli Colonel who was trying to talk peace with a Palestinian? I have been working on a huge spy case involving Nazi spies who got jobs via Allen Dulles CIA (4000 of them and General Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler’s Master of Spies against the USSR), or if you have heard of Hitler’s plan, in 1943, to keep fighting though losing the war, to create a famine inside the USSR to starve 40,000,000 Soviets to death and enslave the other 90,000,000? How Gehlen was hired by Dulles, how he ended up lying about soviet military strength (saying there were 175 divisions battle ready to take over Europe and bomb the US & UK.? One thing led to another, but basically, he started the Cold War almost singlehandedly. And do you have any info on Richard Nixon whose real middle name was Milhausen? how he was a fanatical anti-Semite, how he used captured Nazi documents to accuse members of the Truman administration of being communists, in 1945, and how he used ethnic Nazi groups (who had merged with the right wing of the Republican party) to campaign for Dewey in ’48, himself and Ike in ’52 and ’56, ’60, and on up to 1972 where he turned the RNC over to GHW Bush. Do you have anything on GHW Bush as in charge of the Bay of Pigs fiasco, where Kennedy fired Allen Dulles later, etc etc etc.

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